Annual Bus travelwide
Annual Bus & Rail short hop
Annual Bus & LUAS
Travelwide Adult Monthly
Bus & LUAS Adult Monthly
Rambler 5 day
Rambler 30 day
10 journey, Travel 90
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Gavin |
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The following tickets are now available in Smart Card format:
Annual Bus travelwide Annual Bus & Rail short hop Annual Bus & LUAS Travelwide Adult Monthly Bus & LUAS Adult Monthly Rambler 5 day Rambler 30 day 10 journey, Travel 90 |
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dj276 |
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just to note, the rambler 5 day smart card , can be used on any 5 days, they do not have to be consecutive.
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Gavin |
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Yes, it has replaced the 5 day rambler and 5 day rambler handypack, it costs 18.50.
The 30 day is also the same, any 30 days until the expiry date which is printed on the front. Most being sold now don't expire until 2010.
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65DONARD |
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What about the Rail or LUAS add on, will these go 'SMART' as well?.
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Csalem |
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I wish my monthly bus and rail would go smart card. Two weeks ago the machine in Connolly broke the ticket so for a week had to ask them to open the barrier
for me. Then I put it into a bus machine and that seemed to 'fix' the problem. The magnetic stripe tickets can be very hit and miss.
32 down, 14 to go.
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simonmaher |
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Quick question. In the absence of a unified smart card, which should happen in the next 100 odd years or so, are we likely to see a Dublin Bus "smart
card" similar to the Luas one which allows you to put a certain amount of credit on it to use when and how you wish? Im an infrequent (e.g. probably just
a journey or two per week) but never have change (have bought so many packets of polo mints to break a fiver). Would be so so handy to have prepaid credit to
use on the bus, even if it is 2 seperate cards for now, or even 3 if Irish Rail proceed with theirs. Its a mad solution (the un-unified one) but its a start.
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Gavin |
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As far as I'm aware a 'purse' card for Dublin Bus was included in the plan at the begining of the process, if its still in the pipeline or not is
another thing. The only solution at present may be to get the new Travel 90 smart card, easier to carry than the old book of 10 tickets, and a saving if you
make even one journey of more than 1.70!
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Donnybrook Observer |
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simonmaher wrote: It's unlikely Simon at the moment, simply because that would require "Tag in/Tag out" - and with the current setup that really wouldn't
work given that there is only one entrance/exit.
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gnr302 |
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There is another issue too. Dept. were not happy with Dublin Bus having own Smart Card because of their own integrated project, so Dublin Bus is only allowed replicate their existing products with their own Smart Card. Remember that when Luas was introduced in 2004 we were promised an all users integrated ticket by the end of 2005. Donnybrook Observer's point is also relevant. Dept. thinking is based around multiple fares (unlike London) so a stored value card has to know where you are getting off in order to charge you. This is done on Luas with "tag off" on the platform, and if you forget to tag off you can come back later, or else you are charged to the end of the line. That cannot work for buses, and I don't think this issue has been satisfactorily resolved . |
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Tarabuses |
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Why couldn't the "Tag-off" be on the destination bus stop?
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Tarabuses wrote: Eh, that would require a machine on EVERY bus stop across the network, and really that is not feasible. Think about it - across every housing estate, in the Dublin mountains etc. I don't think that can even be countenanced as the cost would be astronomical and the possibility of vandalism huge!!! |
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It really is shameful to see,yet again a Government Department adopting a strong regressive stance in the matter of Dublin Buses Contactless card.
Even as it is presently configured the chip offers very real possibilities for major advances in how we currently use our bus service. However,as GNR says,certain sections of the Dept of Transport remain somewhat miffed that Dublin Bus were able to roll out "Their" smart-card at all. It has to be remembered that the Dept of Transport/RPA smart-card shambles has now been ongoing since the beginning of the century and has been identified by the Comptroller and Auditor General as one of the worst examples of mismanagement and failure to deliver in the history of the State. It should also be remembered that the FULL story of this scandal has NOT yet been placed in the public domain. This is a game for very high stakes indeed and the ramifications for many highly placed Civil Servants are enormous should the truth ever be revealed. Again as GNR has pointed out,the current Dublin Bus roll out is hampered by the Departments insistance on not using the technology to provide ANY form of so-called commercial advantage to the company in yet another example of the Departments blind funk at the possibility of EU legal chal;lenges by Uncle Tom Cobley et al. The current Management Ethos and Policy Vacuum within the Department of Transport has existed now since 2002 and in that period has allowed Dublins Public Transport network to stagnate and in many ways decline. At the very least the Department should have DIRECTED Bus Atha Cliath to introduce a Flat or Zonal Fare throughout it`s network in order to maximize the efficiencies inherent in the Contactless Card system. It needs to be said that Bus Atha Cliath have been very thorough in their development of "their" contactless card. Many options were considered but the final approval MUST come from this stagnating and perhaps decomposing Department. One of the options I heard mention of was the use of the €1.70 or €2.00 fare as the STANDARD amount which would be debited on presentation of a card. However if a passenger required a lower fare they would present their ticket to the driver,who would then manually enter the amount whilst the card remained on the Ticket Machine reader. Even this would have been a worthwhile advance on what presently conspires to delay almost every Dublin Bus service,but the Department remain unwilling to countenance such witchcraft. It really is a shame to see the huge potential of the Contactless Card being kept locked away from the public simply to keep a senior Civil Servants desk neat and tidy just in case an oul Job comes up in Brussels...but I suppose thats how we do things in Ireland.....Percy French had it down to a tee...."Are ye right there Michael,are ye right ?.....d`ye think that we`ll get there before the night?" Not much chance of that under the current administration !!
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Gavin |
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One of the options I heard mention of was the use of the €1.70 or €2.00 fare as the STANDARD amount which would be debited on presentation of a card.This was the arrangement I was told about. So, you bring your topped up card onto the bus, place it on the card reader on the drivers machine and say 1.50, driver issues 1.50 ticket and passenger takes card and ticket and 1.50 is deducted from the card. Do Metro in Belfast operate a system like that above?
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stephen2415 |
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here is a link that will tell you about metro smartlink http://www.translink.co.uk/MetroSmartlink.asp
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I'm just back from London and used their Oyster card - the pre pay one. On the underground you tag in when you enter the station and tag out when you
leave your destination station. the card then works out the cheapest fare for you. On the buses you just tag in when you board the bus and that deducts 90p -
no matter the distance you travel. This is a substantial saving over cash single fare of £2.
If you use the card multiple times in a day the system will stop charging you when you reach the price (less Oyster discount) of a 1 day travel card. If you only use the buses then the price of a buses only travel card is charged for, if the underground (and buses) are used then a travel card appropriate to the underground zones travelled in charged for. You can also load the card with multiple types of tickets, say you normally only make a journey once a week, but say today you want to see the sights for example, you can load the card with a 1 day travel card and use that. If you go outside the travelzone paid for the card deducts money off the prepay side of the card. You can also set the card to automatically 'top you up' from your bank account when your balance falls below £5. If you forget to tag out or don't tag out within 2hours of tagging in, the system automatically charges you £4. But if your train is delayed by more than 2 hours TfL will refund the 'fine'. I was very impressed with the system over there but the same system will not work in NI because they transport system here is rubbish, but 'if' all the relavant authorities in Dublin - RPA, LUAS, Metro and DB got together, then a similar system with one card would work. After all you can already buy muli mode journey cards, its just a case of making the two smart card systems compatable with each other. To answer Gavin's question, the Translink system uses journeys. when you place the card on the machine a journey is deducted and the ticket is printed showing you your boarding point and limit of travel. More on the Oyster card is here: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/oysteronline/2732.aspx |
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I use a Luas Smart cArd, and i've often wondered, if i use it 3 or more times in one day, does it charge me three single fares, or is the system built to
just charge me for a day ticket (which would be cheaper) like the Osyter version?? Somehow i doubt it!!!
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did'nt the oyster system crash recently ? i have used it in london myself and found it a brilliant idea . especially if like me you want to chase
routemasters on the tourist routes !
i have just got my first 5 day dublin bus smart card . i will let you know how it works . |
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Billy563 |
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KDNorth,have no fear you will simply be charged the appropriate fare for each journey.
The Luas/RPA "Smart" card will not even attempt such wizardry as is being spoken of in London. However,the greater question is why such a basic and quite obviously limited system has thus far cost some €40 Million to "develop" and is still nowhere near "Smart" in any accepted sense...? |
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green atlantean |
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billy i often wonder are theese sort of things like the health system here . more and more money is being paid to advisors and p.r people , less and less is
being invested to run a good system .
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I have the 5 day Dublin Bus smart card - Much better than using the ticket machine, although the first few days I was using it the message I was getting was
"bad read" so the driver just waved me on. But it has been working the last few days without a problem.
Question: Can I use any 5 days ? Or does it have to be five in a row ? Craig. |
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dj276 |
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5 day card can be used for any 5 days.
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