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From a passenger point of view, they are just as uncomfortable. Not so much now but some time back, many of them gave very jerky gear shifts. Brake application also tended to be very jerky although I am told that there apparantly is way to get them to stop smoothly for those in the know. Unfortunately, it appears that not all the drivers are in the know.

All this jerking around made the sideways facing seats unusable unless you are prepared to put up with getting seasick and getting poked in the side by the various metal bars beside them as you get thrown backward and forward. It also makes it difficult to stay standing if you elect to avoid the seating altogether.

Except for approximately three or four that don't have anything in front of them, all the front facing seats are jammed together in such a way that they are extremely uncomfortable on the legs. The ones over the rear wheelarches are particularly bad and only a child could get into them. They are also hard as nails.

The bodywork seems to produce an exceptional amout of rattles, creaks and groans.

If you think its cold in the cab, try sitting anywhere downstream of the howling gale that comes through the gaps around the centre door, also ability to keep out water seems to be about on a par with an early RH, not quite as bad as a VL though.

About the only positive thing I can say about them is that they are quiet (Although this has a downside too. Those daydreaming at the bus stop don't hear them coming...).